As a prominent figure in popular culture, I have to be somewhat careful with my words, but when I read epic tomfoolery, such as this, I have to strip away my usual code of ethics. I will say it like it is: your group sounds like a sandwich of wet vaginas. The kind of group that's offended by South Park and writes religiously to Points of View because they have nothing better to do than complain.
On the set of Gangs of New York, sometimes we would have overnight shoots and most of the cast would sleep on set in their assigned trailers. Unfortunately, mine situatued next to the young and vibrant, Leonardo di Caprio. This made for a slightly uncomfortable time due to his relentless persuit of listening to Enya at ridiculous volumes. Now, my friend, that's what you call a hellish experience.
I am most fond of the noise through the night at Green Man. It's comforting; like the sound of the television when you browse the internet in an empty house, or the sound of ducks corresponding in the pond outside when I trim my moustache. You should embrace it more. If you can't do that then buy some FUCKING earplugs.
Oh Mr Day Lewis... Its a rare day when the words 'ethics', 'vaginas', 'Enya', 'ducks' & 'FUCKING earplugs' appear together in the same place. I'm not sure if you should be congratulated or sectioned.
Parkes, Greenman is as you say a family festival, so while I appreciate that the noise of late night thuddery may be upsetting to some, the noise of children running around at 6am can be equally annoying to those who've only had 3 hours sleep as they've been strutting their funky stuff til the early hours.
When all's said and done it's just one weekend so live and let live.
The other alternative of course is to take DDL's advice and get yourself some FUCKING earplugs ...
It's a festival. There will be music. All night. Never stopped me sleeping. What was much worse last year was a couple of families near to us who thought it was perfectly acceptable to talk to their kids in loud voices at 6.00am in the morning. Harumph.
Ah but then you miss the joy of staggering out of your tent and seeing the site gradually wake up as you pick your way through the guy ropes on your way to the toilets. And the camaraderie of crouching in your tent porch grinning at your neighbours as the rain lashes down remorselessly. Oh yes, bring it on!
It is indeed a family festival, however those getting their rocks off at 6am on Saturday night are also members of a family. I like to split the difference, throw shapes till the early hours then play hide'n'seek with ma kids at daft O'Clock: annoy everyone equally.
Thanks my beautiful friends. I guess I'm dumb. It was just 'orrible for us last year, for the first time, is all I'm saying. It honestly deranged the vibe - felt like we were at one of the big corporate beasties - at one point I swear they were playing Muse, for fuck's sake. And you don't know what my wet vagina group is like Lewis. You cunt.
I don't think it is a "Family Festival", I'd say it was "Family Friendly". I don't go with any children in our group, but I do think they manage the balance quite well (separate camping areas, childrens activities etc). You do have to accept that there will be some noise at night at any music festival, and I'll certainly be up very late if it's not pouring down. However, I'd be interested to know where you were camped? Some areas are louder than others, though I know you can probably hear it faintly all around.
We were camped away from the Family Area, but I was surprised that a family with young children still came and set up next to us. We were not happy on the Friday morning to hear one of them removing our Guy Ropes "in case on of the kids tripped on them"! Still, I've had much worse tent-neighbours.
I'm with you on Muse, they have no place in my ears, day or night!
Thing is - it is only one weekend - but that's the point - there is only one weekend like it - it's a treasure - it aint Glasto or any of the others - it's unique - it's precious, and I'm guessing folks will have a go at me, but the all nighter beats felt completely out of place to us lot. Obviously not to you guys. I'm just saying it felt like some of the reason we love it was compromised. That's what we felt. And I'm not really talking about families anyway - I'm talking about the vibe of the festival.
And Rog I agree that they should take more care about where families camp - cos it should be easy to accomodate all shouldn't it?
We were way over near the vehicles - but it was bloody loud, honest. And like I say - the music was 'orrible.
Well, it didn't wreck our weekend, but we didn't much care for the DJs - not very appropriate for Green Man I'd have thought.
However, Beyond the Wizard's Sleeve played a great set of 60s psychedelic re-edits the year before last, and Amorphous Androgynous were stunning the following evening after dark.
I've no objections to an all-nighter, as long as it's good.
Last year's all-nighters, to my mind, were the sort of thing I'd have expected at a much more commercial festival.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Time and Space Machine will be DJing this year - very appropriate for Green Man, and I daresay it will attract more punters into the tent to shake a leg.
codswallop. if you didn't enjoy the likes of gold panda, metronomy, factory floor, matthew herbert and james blake last year, you need your heads screwing back on........ they made the festival for me!
really looking forward to what the green one has in store for us tomorrow
Fair enough if that floats your boat, but they did nothing for me I'm afraid.
I did enjoy the guilty pleasures crazy cover versions over at the Green Man Pub however - verily t'was a good laugh. But alas DJs Food and Yoda were 'orrible to my ears and eyes.
I imagine you're dancing with joy at today's announcement then eh Parkes?
Oh well, maybe there'll be someone playing 60s psych or hosting an indie disco at the green man pub. I'll do it if you're stuck Jo & Danny - just say the word.
I just don't get it. It's not as if fans of acid-folk, psych, indie and experimental stuff are well-known for their appreciation of mainstream dance music. Perhaps t'organisers are trying to broaden the festival's appeal. Of course, the danger with that is that they might lose the loyalty of regulars and squander Green Man's unique identity. I'll certainly be looking at the line-ups of other festivals next year to see if there's anything else more in tune with my particular tastes.
Yeah. This is the first time I've been/will be going but having looked through the lineups it backs up what you say. I can't comment on the demographic but I'm one of the young folks this move may be aimed at - and it was the headliners and some other folk-ish acts that got me, not dance music (where I think I've only ever really enjoyed Caribou sober). I don't have the attachment that you have but I have the same feeling - keep the niche (that includes not expanding the capacity any more).
On the family thing, I'd say it's not so much the late-nights-loud-music that's the problem. This is going to sound awfully snobbish, but it's the type of audience that mainstream dance music appeals to - druggier, rowdier young 'uns basically. Now don't get me wrong, I've no problem with young people experimenting, being rowdy and having a good old whale of a time. Despite my feigned misunderstandings of the youngsters with their ice-skating and lemonade and what-have-you, in truth I turned 17 just as acid-house and the so called 2nd summer of love hit. Ah, bliss it was to be alive at that time, but to be young was very heaven. I even went to a couple of illegal 'raves' as we called them in those days - one in a warehouse outside Manchester and another on Ilkley Moor. I was into the club scene throughout my time at university. But the thing is, there's no way I would consider taking my kids to something like that (not that I have any kids, but the point still stands).
It remains to be seen if this will alter the general atmosphere on the site, and I'm hopeful that it won't, but it may do
I do have kids (aged 5 and very nearly 8) and one of the big appeals of Green Man is the family-friendly angle. I can't see the addition of some dancey stuff changing that unduly but if it did and the dynamic of the festival changed (the current mix of people is excellent) we'd be looking somewhere else next year. EoTR looks ever more appealing don't it? I'm not one of the moaners on here but I reckon I prefer their line up this year.
That's what puzzles me. Will the late night DJ stuff attract as many people as will be put off by the weaker live line-up? I would have thought that they'd be more attracted to an event that, as a whole, is more geared towards the 'rave' thing.
Yeah I do think so. But it's about quality isn't it? That and the overall experience. People in crowds behave better when there's loads to do, and happier times for all maybe result when you get people into large tents with bangin' choons ( as I belive these young people call them) rather than bashing their (metaphorical) bongos on the edge of quiet camping. I thought the bonfire and greenman thingy were brilliant safety measures. Get them knackered and they will eventually sleep while the other crowd, over the other side of the site with their kids etc are up and enjoying what ever they enjoy. Playdoh and such. Myself, I don't mind so long as it's safe and I got stuff to do and the occassional transendential carnival moment comes along. That and the odd drop of cider and that random encounter with total strangers/ Innit great that humans have been gathering together and dancing etc. in fields for thousands of years? And I think in the end that in a funny kind of way I trust the Greenman people to get it right-
I can see that the festival has to evolve and develop in order to remain fresh and vibrant and the slight change in emphasis this year is getting positive coverage across a wider range of media.
The history of GM has been one of evolution rather than revolution and I have every expectation that this year's will be at least as enjoyable as previous one for all of us.
Let's face it, if it's a choice between the 'bangin' choons' folk and the Doves fans, I know who I'd rather share the weekend with.
I might even leave the playdoh at home and stay up past my bedtime in the Far Out tent. May need to start a fashion advice thread though :-)
I wouldn't be worried that "bad" bands/djs bring annoying people to GM. Because there are really no "bad" ones in the lineup of GM, as far as I know.
It's only 10 DJs/electronic acts! - party people cannot be bothered. Morover, Andrew Weatherall is definately not in fashion at the moment, he is more like a living legend, young people around 20 don't even know him.
Squarepusher is one of the highligts for me, see how rarely and where he plays - those are more like ATP style events, definately no creamfields. Don't know the rest of electronic guys, but they look like a eclectic mixture to me, which is great.
Some of you are saying that EotR lineup is better. Not for me. I like some of the names (Kurt Vile, Mogwai, for instance), but if you are worried about 'bad people', look at the trendy stuff that's there - HEALTH, Best Coast, Zola Jesus - those are the names that hipsters love. Let me be clear, hipsters are good people, but they can kill the atmosphere of any event. Also Take Lykke Li, she is so awfully poppish.. Well I enjoy some songs of these artists, but their gigs can be such a pain in the ass because of the people who attend..
I filmed the British Hip Hop dance Champs thingy on the weekend. Hip Hop has never been my sort of thing. But to be honest I found some of the music and DJs pretty good, and met some VERY nice people. I even learnt some funny handshakes. So that's me taught a necessary lesson I think.
I suppose the DJs aren't such a big change from last year's after dark stuff. Perhaps I'm whining because it's not to my taste. It's just that GM got it spot on in 2009. Beyond the Wizard's Sleeve's 60 psych DJ set in particular was honestly one of the highlights of 2009 for me. I went along to last year's after dark stuff with an open mind and remembering how much I'd enjoyed it in there the year before, but I was very disappointed to hear a lot of thud thuddery (as someone else put it). Also calling it 'far-out' seems to me to be something of a misnomer. What's 'far-out' about 70s and 80s disco stuff and four-on-the-floor BPMs? The announcement talked about "weird and wonderful" sounds but I'd have thought "ordinary and commonplace" is more accurate.
I agree with Sugar Kane. I don't think the number of dj acts on will attract a younger 'druggy' crowd. Weatherall certainly isn't in fashion, and the other acts appear to be a bit more 'fringey' than stuff you'll find at say Creamflields, or Glade. Also the band line-up is not going to appeal to the type of punters who go to the major dance festivals.
Horse Meat Disco, ( a friend of mine djs' for them ) are a collective, who play disco,but they stay away from the 'traditional disco' that we know and loathe from hen nights, wedding djs. Their nights are mixed, though predominately gay, they rarely play 'household names, and for most parts play more 'dubby' mixes. I really can't imagine any of their followers, 'camping', (did yer see what i did there..did yer ?) it up in the Brecon Beacons. (Plug Over)
I'm confused. None of the after dark line-up is particularly 'current' and if the GM want to appeal to a younger audience they certainly wouldn't be leading with Squarepusher & Weatherall: both of whom have consistently pushed the envelope with their live shows & DJ sets. Some posters are clearly unimpressed yet state that they have never heard of some of the acts, if it's really about inclusivity, variety and opening ears and minds to new sounds I'd have thought that the after dark line-up would be warmly welcomed.
Unless of course you anticipate being kept up all night, that's a reasonable grievance.
Re: EoTR line-up, yes it's great but it's also predominantly GM 2010. Next year maybe they'll have lined-up GM 2011.
Actually, in all seriousness, some friends of mine complained about heavy-handed security. One chap lit up one he'd rolled himself (just tobacco, I assure you) and turned round to see three heavies lingering behind him trying to catch a whiff of it.
I remember smoking a fag by the pub and I got the distinct impression that a security chap was supicious of me. In fact, he was completely unsubtle about it so I was deliberately keeping it out of sight to wind him up.
It would warm the heart of the Guardian-reader-complainer.
Green Man has assured me that all concerns about noise (i am sympathetic, imagine what it was like for a dog!) have been noted and that there are plans in place to deal with the matter as much as possible at an open air music festival.
Dance music/DJs have always been part of Green Man. The issue last year were down to the sound controls and not the music being played.
"We were just outside of Brecon when the drugs began to take hold... I didn't tell my attorney about the bats - he'd be seeing them soon enough..."
I've never seen a single Police Officer at GM - unlike Glastonbury, which honestly contains the largest concentration of Bobbies I've ever seen in one place (with the possible exception of Stonehenge), and given the amount of money Eavis has to 'donate' to the local force it's practically turning into a Police benefit gig. But I haven't noticed any at GM before.
The heavies hassling myself and friends last year were just security guards - probably bored security guards looking for something to do. When all's said and done, I can't imagine there's much trouble for them to sort out at GM. It did get on my nerves a bit to be honest though. Every time I sparked up one of these jokers would suddenly appear and fix me with a stare - for smoking a fag! The disappointment on their faces when it registered that I wasn't smoking anything stronger was all too obvious. Did anyone else notice this, or is it just me?
"Dance music/DJs have always been part of Green Man."
Well, sort of...
2006 was my first time and certainly there were DJs but they weren't playing 4-on-the-floor phat beatz. As I recall it was things like 'The Whicker Man' soundtrack and I definitely remember hearing a few cuts from 'Piper at the gates of dawn'. I don't remember hearing any bangin' choons-wave-your-arms-in-the-lasers type stuff before last year though.Obviously there are plenty who are pleased by the after dark announcement, but it is a little different from bygone days. It's fine by me as long as that's not all that's on offer after t' bands have finished.
@Sloshon re:Green Man lineup 2011, the headliners are 2/3 EOTR 2009 1/3 EOTR 2010. It's mostly just the case that there aren't a load of bands that fit the bill.
Kindermusik replied on Permalink
As a prominent figure in
As a prominent figure in popular culture, I have to be somewhat careful with my words, but when I read epic tomfoolery, such as this, I have to strip away my usual code of ethics. I will say it like it is: your group sounds like a sandwich of wet vaginas. The kind of group that's offended by South Park and writes religiously to Points of View because they have nothing better to do than complain.
On the set of Gangs of New York, sometimes we would have overnight shoots and most of the cast would sleep on set in their assigned trailers. Unfortunately, mine situatued next to the young and vibrant, Leonardo di Caprio. This made for a slightly uncomfortable time due to his relentless persuit of listening to Enya at ridiculous volumes. Now, my friend, that's what you call a hellish experience.
I am most fond of the noise through the night at Green Man. It's comforting; like the sound of the television when you browse the internet in an empty house, or the sound of ducks corresponding in the pond outside when I trim my moustache. You should embrace it more. If you can't do that then buy some FUCKING earplugs.
GreenFairy replied on Permalink
Ahem! Oh Mr Day Lewis... Its
Ahem!
Oh Mr Day Lewis... Its a rare day when the words 'ethics', 'vaginas', 'Enya', 'ducks' & 'FUCKING earplugs' appear together in the same place. I'm not sure if you should be congratulated or sectioned.
Parkes, Greenman is as you say a family festival, so while I appreciate that the noise of late night thuddery may be upsetting to some, the noise of children running around at 6am can be equally annoying to those who've only had 3 hours sleep as they've been strutting their funky stuff til the early hours.
When all's said and done it's just one weekend so live and let live.
The other alternative of course is to take DDL's advice and get yourself some FUCKING earplugs ...
It's a festival. There will
It's a festival. There will be music. All night. Never stopped me sleeping. What was much worse last year was a couple of families near to us who thought it was perfectly acceptable to talk to their kids in loud voices at 6.00am in the morning. Harumph.
rayrad replied on Permalink
once again, i invoke the
once again, i invoke the great god bhedd yn brkfysst
with him watching over us every year, we have heard no noise at all during the nights
Ah but then you miss the joy
Ah but then you miss the joy of staggering out of your tent and seeing the site gradually wake up as you pick your way through the guy ropes on your way to the toilets. And the camaraderie of crouching in your tent porch grinning at your neighbours as the rain lashes down remorselessly. Oh yes, bring it on!
sloshon replied on Permalink
It is indeed a family
It is indeed a family festival, however those getting their rocks off at 6am on Saturday night are also members of a family. I like to split the difference, throw shapes till the early hours then play hide'n'seek with ma kids at daft O'Clock: annoy everyone equally.
keespopinga replied on Permalink
Thanks my beautiful friends.
Thanks my beautiful friends. I guess I'm dumb. It was just 'orrible for us last year, for the first time, is all I'm saying. It honestly deranged the vibe - felt like we were at one of the big corporate beasties - at one point I swear they were playing Muse, for fuck's sake. And you don't know what my wet vagina group is like Lewis. You cunt.
Rog replied on Permalink
I don't think it is a "Family
I don't think it is a "Family Festival", I'd say it was "Family Friendly". I don't go with any children in our group, but I do think they manage the balance quite well (separate camping areas, childrens activities etc). You do have to accept that there will be some noise at night at any music festival, and I'll certainly be up very late if it's not pouring down. However, I'd be interested to know where you were camped? Some areas are louder than others, though I know you can probably hear it faintly all around.
We were camped away from the Family Area, but I was surprised that a family with young children still came and set up next to us. We were not happy on the Friday morning to hear one of them removing our Guy Ropes "in case on of the kids tripped on them"! Still, I've had much worse tent-neighbours.
I'm with you on Muse, they have no place in my ears, day or night!
keespopinga replied on Permalink
Thing is - it is only one
Thing is - it is only one weekend - but that's the point - there is only one weekend like it - it's a treasure - it aint Glasto or any of the others - it's unique - it's precious, and I'm guessing folks will have a go at me, but the all nighter beats felt completely out of place to us lot. Obviously not to you guys. I'm just saying it felt like some of the reason we love it was compromised. That's what we felt. And I'm not really talking about families anyway - I'm talking about the vibe of the festival.
And Rog I agree that they should take more care about where families camp - cos it should be easy to accomodate all shouldn't it?
We were way over near the vehicles - but it was bloody loud, honest. And like I say - the music was 'orrible.
rayrad replied on Permalink
i'm with you on lewis - he is
i'm with you on lewis - he is a cunt
but then he's an actor
and telling him so will just reinforce his god complex
a little otter replied on Permalink
Well green fairy peace and
Well green fairy peace and love certainly went out of the window.x
Well, it didn't wreck our
Well, it didn't wreck our weekend, but we didn't much care for the DJs - not very appropriate for Green Man I'd have thought.
However, Beyond the Wizard's Sleeve played a great set of 60s psychedelic re-edits the year before last, and Amorphous Androgynous were stunning the following evening after dark.
I've no objections to an all-nighter, as long as it's good.
Last year's all-nighters, to my mind, were the sort of thing I'd have expected at a much more commercial festival.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Time and Space Machine will be DJing this year - very appropriate for Green Man, and I daresay it will attract more punters into the tent to shake a leg.
countbearula replied on Permalink
I agree that last year the
I agree that last year the late night DJ stuff wasn't much to write home about. All that mashup VJ stuff didn't really get the crowd going.
Beyond the Wizards Sleeve was perfect though. As was Amorphous.
DickieBird replied on Permalink
codswallop. if you didn't
codswallop. if you didn't enjoy the likes of gold panda, metronomy, factory floor, matthew herbert and james blake last year, you need your heads screwing back on........ they made the festival for me!
really looking forward to what the green one has in store for us tomorrow
Tome Toyou Fair enough if
Tome Toyou
Fair enough if that floats your boat, but they did nothing for me I'm afraid.
I did enjoy the guilty pleasures crazy cover versions over at the Green Man Pub however - verily t'was a good laugh. But alas DJs Food and Yoda were 'orrible to my ears and eyes.
"ALL NIGHT DISCO WRECKED MY
"ALL NIGHT DISCO WRECKED MY WEEKEND"
I imagine you're dancing with joy at today's announcement then eh Parkes?
Oh well, maybe there'll be someone playing 60s psych or hosting an indie disco at the green man pub. I'll do it if you're stuck Jo & Danny - just say the word.
I just don't get it. It's not as if fans of acid-folk, psych, indie and experimental stuff are well-known for their appreciation of mainstream dance music. Perhaps t'organisers are trying to broaden the festival's appeal. Of course, the danger with that is that they might lose the loyalty of regulars and squander Green Man's unique identity. I'll certainly be looking at the line-ups of other festivals next year to see if there's anything else more in tune with my particular tastes.
rayrad replied on Permalink
well, exactly... also, one of
well, exactly...
also, one of the great joys of GM is how family-friendly it is
we don't come with kids ourselves (at least not little ones!)
but the vibe is unquestionably made up in big part by the atmosphere that families bring to it
can't see too many folks with little kids being too thrilled about this after dark malarkey, can you?
and next year they'll drift away too
so the crowd will get younger and younger
and less and less broad
don't get me wrong - i like young folks!
they're part of the great mix
but GM seems to be aiming itself more and more at people in their early 20s only
and becoming lesser for it...
wackojacko replied on Permalink
Yeah. This is the first time
Yeah. This is the first time I've been/will be going but having looked through the lineups it backs up what you say. I can't comment on the demographic but I'm one of the young folks this move may be aimed at - and it was the headliners and some other folk-ish acts that got me, not dance music (where I think I've only ever really enjoyed Caribou sober). I don't have the attachment that you have but I have the same feeling - keep the niche (that includes not expanding the capacity any more).
On the family thing, I'd say
On the family thing, I'd say it's not so much the late-nights-loud-music that's the problem. This is going to sound awfully snobbish, but it's the type of audience that mainstream dance music appeals to - druggier, rowdier young 'uns basically. Now don't get me wrong, I've no problem with young people experimenting, being rowdy and having a good old whale of a time. Despite my feigned misunderstandings of the youngsters with their ice-skating and lemonade and what-have-you, in truth I turned 17 just as acid-house and the so called 2nd summer of love hit. Ah, bliss it was to be alive at that time, but to be young was very heaven. I even went to a couple of illegal 'raves' as we called them in those days - one in a warehouse outside Manchester and another on Ilkley Moor. I was into the club scene throughout my time at university. But the thing is, there's no way I would consider taking my kids to something like that (not that I have any kids, but the point still stands).
It remains to be seen if this will alter the general atmosphere on the site, and I'm hopeful that it won't, but it may do
I do have kids (aged 5 and
I do have kids (aged 5 and very nearly 8) and one of the big appeals of Green Man is the family-friendly angle. I can't see the addition of some dancey stuff changing that unduly but if it did and the dynamic of the festival changed (the current mix of people is excellent) we'd be looking somewhere else next year. EoTR looks ever more appealing don't it? I'm not one of the moaners on here but I reckon I prefer their line up this year.
think that GM is in the
think that GM is in the process of rebranding, and setting out to get a younger audience.
Do you think so? Can't see
Do you think so? Can't see that much of the line-up is likely to appeal to a younger audience particularly.
That's what puzzles me.
That's what puzzles me. Will the late night DJ stuff attract as many people as will be put off by the weaker live line-up? I would have thought that they'd be more attracted to an event that, as a whole, is more geared towards the 'rave' thing.
Yeah I do think so. But it's
Yeah I do think so. But it's about quality isn't it? That and the overall experience. People in crowds behave better when there's loads to do, and happier times for all maybe result when you get people into large tents with bangin' choons ( as I belive these young people call them) rather than bashing their (metaphorical) bongos on the edge of quiet camping. I thought the bonfire and greenman thingy were brilliant safety measures. Get them knackered and they will eventually sleep while the other crowd, over the other side of the site with their kids etc are up and enjoying what ever they enjoy. Playdoh and such. Myself, I don't mind so long as it's safe and I got stuff to do and the occassional transendential carnival moment comes along. That and the odd drop of cider and that random encounter with total strangers/ Innit great that humans have been gathering together and dancing etc. in fields for thousands of years? And I think in the end that in a funny kind of way I trust the Greenman people to get it right-
Good points Cyfarthfa. I
Good points Cyfarthfa.
I can see that the festival has to evolve and develop in order to remain fresh and vibrant and the slight change in emphasis this year is getting positive coverage across a wider range of media.
The history of GM has been one of evolution rather than revolution and I have every expectation that this year's will be at least as enjoyable as previous one for all of us.
Let's face it, if it's a choice between the 'bangin' choons' folk and the Doves fans, I know who I'd rather share the weekend with.
I might even leave the playdoh at home and stay up past my bedtime in the Far Out tent. May need to start a fashion advice thread though :-)
Good points cyfarthfa and
Good points cyfarthfa and peridot - I'd expect nothing less.
Sugar_Kane replied on Permalink
I wouldn't be worried that
I wouldn't be worried that "bad" bands/djs bring annoying people to GM. Because there are really no "bad" ones in the lineup of GM, as far as I know.
It's only 10 DJs/electronic acts! - party people cannot be bothered. Morover, Andrew Weatherall is definately not in fashion at the moment, he is more like a living legend, young people around 20 don't even know him.
Squarepusher is one of the highligts for me, see how rarely and where he plays - those are more like ATP style events, definately no creamfields. Don't know the rest of electronic guys, but they look like a eclectic mixture to me, which is great.
Some of you are saying that EotR lineup is better. Not for me. I like some of the names (Kurt Vile, Mogwai, for instance), but if you are worried about 'bad people', look at the trendy stuff that's there - HEALTH, Best Coast, Zola Jesus - those are the names that hipsters love. Let me be clear, hipsters are good people, but they can kill the atmosphere of any event. Also Take Lykke Li, she is so awfully poppish.. Well I enjoy some songs of these artists, but their gigs can be such a pain in the ass because of the people who attend..
Ah, interesting point about
Ah, interesting point about Weatherall - I guessed as much on another thread.
I love the title of this thread - like a Daily mail headline - we should keep it going all summer as a depository for random comments
I'm thinking of staying up
I'm thinking of staying up late too.
I filmed the British Hip Hop dance Champs thingy on the weekend. Hip Hop has never been my sort of thing. But to be honest I found some of the music and DJs pretty good, and met some VERY nice people. I even learnt some funny handshakes. So that's me taught a necessary lesson I think.
I suppose the DJs aren't such
I suppose the DJs aren't such a big change from last year's after dark stuff. Perhaps I'm whining because it's not to my taste. It's just that GM got it spot on in 2009. Beyond the Wizard's Sleeve's 60 psych DJ set in particular was honestly one of the highlights of 2009 for me. I went along to last year's after dark stuff with an open mind and remembering how much I'd enjoyed it in there the year before, but I was very disappointed to hear a lot of thud thuddery (as someone else put it). Also calling it 'far-out' seems to me to be something of a misnomer. What's 'far-out' about 70s and 80s disco stuff and four-on-the-floor BPMs? The announcement talked about "weird and wonderful" sounds but I'd have thought "ordinary and commonplace" is more accurate.
Makes no difference to me -
Makes no difference to me - I'll be fast akip in my tent.
GreenFairy replied on Permalink
Oh a delicious challenge...
Oh a delicious challenge... All night tent whackers wreck Krasni's weekend?
'A Festival of Bongos and
'A Festival of Bongos and Zoundz'
Ha! Just let 'em try!
Ha! Just let 'em try!
I agree with Sugar Kane. I
I agree with Sugar Kane. I don't think the number of dj acts on will attract a younger 'druggy' crowd. Weatherall certainly isn't in fashion, and the other acts appear to be a bit more 'fringey' than stuff you'll find at say Creamflields, or Glade. Also the band line-up is not going to appeal to the type of punters who go to the major dance festivals.
Horse Meat Disco, ( a friend of mine djs' for them ) are a collective, who play disco,but they stay away from the 'traditional disco' that we know and loathe from hen nights, wedding djs. Their nights are mixed, though predominately gay, they rarely play 'household names, and for most parts play more 'dubby' mixes. I really can't imagine any of their followers, 'camping', (did yer see what i did there..did yer ?) it up in the Brecon Beacons. (Plug Over)
rayrad replied on Permalink
yeah, i was a bit out of
yeah, i was a bit out of order with the hen night quip!
i actually love the stuff that HMD play
definitely a weird choice for GM
though no doubt they'll go down well
academic for me though, as i'll be fast asleep under bhedd yn brkfasst's arm by then
rayrad replied on Permalink
a young druggy
a young druggy crowd...
imagine the horror of that woman who wrote to the guardian last year about all the people poisoning her children with weed smoke!
sloshon replied on Permalink
I'm confused. None of the
I'm confused. None of the after dark line-up is particularly 'current' and if the GM want to appeal to a younger audience they certainly wouldn't be leading with Squarepusher & Weatherall: both of whom have consistently pushed the envelope with their live shows & DJ sets. Some posters are clearly unimpressed yet state that they have never heard of some of the acts, if it's really about inclusivity, variety and opening ears and minds to new sounds I'd have thought that the after dark line-up would be warmly welcomed.
Unless of course you anticipate being kept up all night, that's a reasonable grievance.
Re: EoTR line-up, yes it's great but it's also predominantly GM 2010. Next year maybe they'll have lined-up GM 2011.
a little otter replied on Permalink
Absolutely spot on sloshon.
Absolutely spot on sloshon.
"imagine the horror of that
"imagine the horror of that woman who wrote to the guardian last year about all the people poisoning her children with weed smoke!"
Oh yes, I remember that!
I think she was camping next to me, unless there were two of them. I was smoking nothing stronger than silk cut, but her moral outrage was palpable.
I suppose it was a mistake to offer her kids some fags though...
Ha ha! Low tar hopefully?
Ha ha!
Low tar hopefully?
Of course. It seemed like the
Of course.
It seemed like the decent thing to do. And they were perfectly happy to drink my alco-pops...
That's what I love about GM -
That's what I love about GM - so family-friendly. Good on yer!
Actually, in all seriousness,
Actually, in all seriousness, some friends of mine complained about heavy-handed security. One chap lit up one he'd rolled himself (just tobacco, I assure you) and turned round to see three heavies lingering behind him trying to catch a whiff of it.
I remember smoking a fag by the pub and I got the distinct impression that a security chap was supicious of me. In fact, he was completely unsubtle about it so I was deliberately keeping it out of sight to wind him up.
It would warm the heart of the Guardian-reader-complainer.
rayrad replied on Permalink
all part of GM getting
all part of GM getting bigger
hard to avoid it getting more policed too
it's a far cry from 2005
when we arrived in a VW bus entirely made of hash
split a quaalude
and bribed our way in with a handful of mandys
Hi all Golly this has been
Hi all
Golly this has been an interesting post.
Green Man has assured me that all concerns about noise (i am sympathetic, imagine what it was like for a dog!) have been noted and that there are plans in place to deal with the matter as much as possible at an open air music festival.
Dance music/DJs have always been part of Green Man. The issue last year were down to the sound controls and not the music being played.
See you in the Far Out After Dark.
Walter
Fear and Loathing in
Fear and Loathing in Brecon
"We were just outside of Brecon when the drugs began to take hold... I didn't tell my attorney about the bats - he'd be seeing them soon enough..."
I've never seen a single Police Officer at GM - unlike Glastonbury, which honestly contains the largest concentration of Bobbies I've ever seen in one place (with the possible exception of Stonehenge), and given the amount of money Eavis has to 'donate' to the local force it's practically turning into a Police benefit gig. But I haven't noticed any at GM before.
The heavies hassling myself and friends last year were just security guards - probably bored security guards looking for something to do. When all's said and done, I can't imagine there's much trouble for them to sort out at GM. It did get on my nerves a bit to be honest though. Every time I sparked up one of these jokers would suddenly appear and fix me with a stare - for smoking a fag! The disappointment on their faces when it registered that I wasn't smoking anything stronger was all too obvious. Did anyone else notice this, or is it just me?
"Dance music/DJs have always
"Dance music/DJs have always been part of Green Man."
Well, sort of...
2006 was my first time and certainly there were DJs but they weren't playing 4-on-the-floor phat beatz. As I recall it was things like 'The Whicker Man' soundtrack and I definitely remember hearing a few cuts from 'Piper at the gates of dawn'. I don't remember hearing any bangin' choons-wave-your-arms-in-the-lasers type stuff before last year though.Obviously there are plenty who are pleased by the after dark announcement, but it is a little different from bygone days. It's fine by me as long as that's not all that's on offer after t' bands have finished.
rayrad replied on Permalink
aye, yes, i meant 'policed'
aye, yes, i meant 'policed' in terms of controlled, rather than your actual bobbies
i remember when there were none at glastonbury - they weren't allowed in as it was classed as a private party
and the second you were through the gates it was a mind altering free for all!
i dropped so much acid at glastonbury, my third eye is probably still there!
it was always great for the first couple of hours, then really, really too fucking much for the next eight or so
too many people!!
ah, youth...
wackojacko replied on Permalink
@Sloshon re:Green Man lineup
@Sloshon re:Green Man lineup 2011, the headliners are 2/3 EOTR 2009 1/3 EOTR 2010. It's mostly just the case that there aren't a load of bands that fit the bill.
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